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#41 KC Warpaint

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Posted 21 December 2016 - 04:01 PM

Only unless Romo winds up in SF first.  :lol:

oh sh*t that means we will be going after kapernick :angry: :(



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Posted 21 December 2016 - 04:05 PM

oh sh*t that means we will be going after kapernick :angry: :(


He might actually be cut or decline his option which I'm not sure what that does because we usually trade for them. Maybe Gabbert?

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Posted 21 December 2016 - 05:41 PM

Only unless Romo winds up in SF first. :lol:


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Posted 21 December 2016 - 05:41 PM

He might actually be cut or decline his option which I'm not sure what that does because we usually trade for them. Maybe Gabbert?

If the Chiefs sign gabbert, I would be done with football.
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Posted 21 December 2016 - 07:03 PM

If the Chiefs sign gabbert, I would be done with football.


No, trade for. How much? Anything is too much. :)

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Posted 22 December 2016 - 12:38 AM

oh sh*t that means we will be going after kapernick :angry: :(


It is possible. Andy did like Kaep coming out of the draft.

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Posted 22 December 2016 - 01:03 AM

It is possible. Andy did like Kaep coming out of the draft.

Could you imagine? I'd still be a Chiefs fan but I think I'd blow a blood vessel in my temple.


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Posted 22 December 2016 - 02:04 AM

I don't get too worked up about a kid that has an opinion I disagree with.

If they got him on the cheap and it works out than hey whatever. I'd prefer to develop our own QB though.

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Posted 11 February 2017 - 08:52 AM

Update:

Option year terminated:

Nick Foles (10.75 million savings)

 

Paycut:

Alex Smith (Takes 5 million base salary cut to fend off Foles)

Cut:

Jamaal Charles

De'Anthony Thomas

 

The according moves would put the Chiefs up to 25.3 million in cap space

 

Tender:

Daniel Sorensen

Cairo Santos

 

Re-sign:

Eric Berry (6 year/63 million; 22m SB, 20m guaranteed -- heavy backloaded deal, only 8.9 cap hit in 17)

 

The Chiefs are now at 14.73 million.

 

Sign:

OL Chance Warmack (1yr/1m -- Chiefs give Chance a flyer to see if he can turn things around in a new city)

 

Draft:

-Trade: The Browns move up from 35 to 27  to take another much needed edge rusher, before the big rush on them starts again.  Browns send picks 35 and 97 to KC for 27.

 

2.1.  Caleb Brantley, DL  Florida

The Chiefs slide down a bit, gain an extra choice and still land their guy.  With Poe gone and another fatty due for FA next year, look for Andy to add another fatty.  He likes going linemen early, anyhow.

 

2.2.  Raekwon McMillan, ILB  Ohio State

Chiefs get some much needed help at ILB.

 

3.1.  Wayne Gallman, RB  Clemson

-Chiefs package their original 5th rounder to slide up some spots

A strong, mostly well-rounded runner.  Could use some work in pass-pro, but was a strong workhorse in Clemson.

 

3.2.  Brad Kaaya, QB  Miami

-Comp pick for Sean Smith-

Reid and Dorsey know that they've overachieved with Alex and his decline is imminent.

 

4.1.  Duke Riley, ILB  LSU

 

Look for the Chiefs to add some more talent at ILB.

 

4.2.  Hunter Dimick, DE/OLB  Utah

 

A young Tamba.

 

5.  Lorenzo Jerome, S  St. Francis

-comp pick for Chase Daniel-

A good solid player that will upgrade the depth chart at S.

 

6.1. Chad Kelly, QB  Ole Miss

-comp pick for a shitbird tackle that the Broncos were dumb enough to sign and start-

 

Yeah he's a douche, but he's also a very talented passer.  He was the first QB to shred bama's D apart this season and would be going much higher if it weren't for OTF issues and his ACL.

 

The Chiefs now have fierce competition at QB, which is what they need.  Andy always takes on at least one problem child, and this will be his pet project for the year.

 

6.2.  Stacy Coley, WR  Miami

-comp pick for Tyvon Branch-

Chiefs will add some to WR at some point.

 

7.  Josh Dobbs, ATH  Tennessee

 

Yes, I listed him as an athlete.  I think he has Brad Smith ability, but isn't really a capable NFL QB outside of an emergency. 



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Posted 11 February 2017 - 05:15 PM

It is possible. Andy did like Kaep coming out of the draft.

I liked Kaepernick in the draft too. Not so much anymore. He needs a shrink.



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Posted 11 February 2017 - 05:35 PM

Update:

Option year terminated:

Nick Foles (10.75 million savings)

 

Paycut:

Alex Smith (Takes 5 million base salary cut to fend off Foles)

Cut:

Jamaal Charles

De'Anthony Thomas

 

The according moves would put the Chiefs up to 25.3 million in cap space

 

Tender:

Daniel Sorensen

Cairo Santos

 

Re-sign:

Eric Berry (6 year/63 million; 22m SB, 20m guaranteed -- heavy backloaded deal, only 8.9 cap hit in 17)

 

The Chiefs are now at 14.73 million.

 

Sign:

OL Chance Warmack (1yr/1m -- Chiefs give Chance a flyer to see if he can turn things around in a new city)

 

Draft:

-Trade: The Browns move up from 35 to 27  to take another much needed edge rusher, before the big rush on them starts again.  Browns send picks 35 and 97 to KC for 27.

 

2.1.  Caleb Brantley, DL  Florida

The Chiefs slide down a bit, gain an extra choice and still land their guy.  With Poe gone and another fatty due for FA next year, look for Andy to add another fatty.  He likes going linemen early, anyhow.

 

2.2.  Raekwon McMillan, ILB  Ohio State

Chiefs get some much needed help at ILB.

 

3.1.  Wayne Gallman, RB  Clemson

-Chiefs package their original 5th rounder to slide up some spots

A strong, mostly well-rounded runner.  Could use some work in pass-pro, but was a strong workhorse in Clemson.

 

3.2.  Brad Kaaya, QB  Miami

-Comp pick for Sean Smith-

Reid and Dorsey know that they've overachieved with Alex and his decline is imminent.

 

4.1.  Duke Riley, ILB  LSU

 

Look for the Chiefs to add some more talent at ILB.

 

4.2.  Hunter Dimick, DE/OLB  Utah

 

A young Tamba.

 

5.  Lorenzo Jerome, S  St. Francis

-comp pick for Chase Daniel-

A good solid player that will upgrade the depth chart at S.

 

6.1. Chad Kelly, QB  Ole Miss

-comp pick for a shitbird tackle that the Broncos were dumb enough to sign and start-

 

Yeah he's a douche, but he's also a very talented passer.  He was the first QB to shred bama's D apart this season and would be going much higher if it weren't for OTF issues and his ACL.

 

The Chiefs now have fierce competition at QB, which is what they need.  Andy always takes on at least one problem child, and this will be his pet project for the year.

 

6.2.  Stacy Coley, WR  Miami

-comp pick for Tyvon Branch-

Chiefs will add some to WR at some point.

 

7.  Josh Dobbs, ATH  Tennessee

 

Yes, I listed him as an athlete.  I think he has Brad Smith ability, but isn't really a capable NFL QB outside of an emergency. 

I like your thinking. The Chiefs will corner the market on QBs if that is to come about. I am not sure about Kaaya, but if he falls to the 3rd round, he would be a value. The Dolphins may want him in the first. Kaaya is smart like Alex Smith, but he is not mobile. Josh Dobbs probably will go much higher, but he would be a good pick 5th round down. The Chiefs still have Tyler Bray on their team, so they must see something in him that others may have missed.



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Posted 11 February 2017 - 08:20 PM

Update:

Option year terminated:

Nick Foles (10.75 million savings)

 

Paycut:

Alex Smith (Takes 5 million base salary cut to fend off Foles)

Cut:

Jamaal Charles

De'Anthony Thomas

 

The according moves would put the Chiefs up to 25.3 million in cap space

 

Tender:

Daniel Sorensen

Cairo Santos

 

Re-sign:

Eric Berry (6 year/63 million; 22m SB, 20m guaranteed -- heavy backloaded deal, only 8.9 cap hit in 17)

 

The Chiefs are now at 14.73 million.

 

Sign:

OL Chance Warmack (1yr/1m -- Chiefs give Chance a flyer to see if he can turn things around in a new city)

 

Draft:

-Trade: The Browns move up from 35 to 27  to take another much needed edge rusher, before the big rush on them starts again.  Browns send picks 35 and 97 to KC for 27.

 

2.1.  Caleb Brantley, DL  Florida

The Chiefs slide down a bit, gain an extra choice and still land their guy.  With Poe gone and another fatty due for FA next year, look for Andy to add another fatty.  He likes going linemen early, anyhow.

 

2.2.  Raekwon McMillan, ILB  Ohio State

Chiefs get some much needed help at ILB.

 

3.1.  Wayne Gallman, RB  Clemson

-Chiefs package their original 5th rounder to slide up some spots

A strong, mostly well-rounded runner.  Could use some work in pass-pro, but was a strong workhorse in Clemson.

 

3.2.  Brad Kaaya, QB  Miami

-Comp pick for Sean Smith-

Reid and Dorsey know that they've overachieved with Alex and his decline is imminent.

 

4.1.  Duke Riley, ILB  LSU

 

Look for the Chiefs to add some more talent at ILB.

 

4.2.  Hunter Dimick, DE/OLB  Utah

 

A young Tamba.

 

5.  Lorenzo Jerome, S  St. Francis

-comp pick for Chase Daniel-

A good solid player that will upgrade the depth chart at S.

 

6.1. Chad Kelly, QB  Ole Miss

-comp pick for a shitbird tackle that the Broncos were dumb enough to sign and start-

 

Yeah he's a douche, but he's also a very talented passer.  He was the first QB to shred bama's D apart this season and would be going much higher if it weren't for OTF issues and his ACL.

 

The Chiefs now have fierce competition at QB, which is what they need.  Andy always takes on at least one problem child, and this will be his pet project for the year.

 

6.2.  Stacy Coley, WR  Miami

-comp pick for Tyvon Branch-

Chiefs will add some to WR at some point.

 

7.  Josh Dobbs, ATH  Tennessee

 

Yes, I listed him as an athlete.  I think he has Brad Smith ability, but isn't really a capable NFL QB outside of an emergency. 

Kaaya won't last that long.  There's talk that he has moved up on the QB list recently.  Not sure about McMillon.  Unless the Chiefs get a shot at one of the top QBs, then I hope they go ILB with their first pick.  ILB, RB, OG, and CB should all be addressed on the first two days.  Edge rush and DT are also needs but not worth a reach.



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Posted 12 February 2017 - 12:08 AM

I like your thinking. The Chiefs will corner the market on QBs if that is to come about. I am not sure about Kaaya, but if he falls to the 3rd round, he would be a value. The Dolphins may want him in the first. Kaaya is smart like Alex Smith, but he is not mobile. Josh Dobbs probably will go much higher, but he would be a good pick 5th round down. The Chiefs still have Tyler Bray on their team, so they must see something in him that others may have missed.

Dobbs will come down to how receptive he is to a position change and how do does in drills as a receiver or runner.  I think he's gonna be a very raw project, which is why I see him as a 7th.

 

As a passer, he's an UDFA.

 

As for Kaaya, he's going to sink because there's a lot of tape on his mistakes on decision making and this class is pretty loaded quantity wise.  He's going to be a forgotten guy, but I do think he's the best natural thrower in this draft. 

 

His decision making and lack of mobility will drop him, but I don't think that will deter Andy because he did draft Foles.  Bray seems to have a 3rd string ceiling and the Chiefs seem to believe so, as they were fast to scoop up on Foles when he was released.

 

 

Kaaya won't last that long.  There's talk that he has moved up on the QB list recently.  Not sure about McMillon.  Unless the Chiefs get a shot at one of the top QBs, then I hope they go ILB with their first pick.  ILB, RB, OG, and CB should all be addressed on the first two days.  Edge rush and DT are also needs but not worth a reach.

Already addressed Kaaya.  He's still trending late 3-early 4 right now.

 

The problem for KC is that they're drafting so late in the first that they're not going to really going to have a good shot at the first round trends at either QB or ILB.

 

A list of teams that are/could be in the QB market:

Browns, 49ers, Bears, Jets, Chargers (Rivers is getting old and has taken a piss pounding lately; int prone), Bills, Saints (Brees is old and stupid expensive), Cardinals (Palmer is an old brokedick), Redskins (if they let Cousins leave), Broncos (Semen and Lynch probably don't project well in McCoys offense), Giants (Eli is old), Texans (Brock is shit), Patriots (will need to reload after they find a sucker to take Jimmy)

 

Now granted some of those teams pick after KC and some will fill their needs before the draft. 

 

The Browns probably go after Tyrod (fits in the offense so well) and the 49ers will give up a shitload to nab Jimmy.  I could see 3 of them flying off the board pretty fast to the Bears, Jets and Bills.  That will leave one QB left for the rest of the round and the Cardinals absolutely have to prepare for life after Carson.  if they wait till later, Houston will absolutely take who's left.

 

As for ILB, there are really only 2 ILB's worth taking in the first round.  Foster will certainly come off the board in the top 10 and Cunningham won't make it past the Redskins, unless they go full stupid and have to draft a QB.

 

Davis is a 2 down backer and taking a 2 down backer on Thursday is terrible for value.  That's why many bama backers slid out of Thursday, after being talked up as first rounders.

 

CB?  They don't need to draft one.  Terrance Mitchell played well enough to deserve a starting role in 2017, Nelson is strong as long as he stays in the slot and they drafted a fair share of CB's a year ago and traded for another.  Gaines might actually be recovered from his knee problems next year also.  I think they are fine at CB right now.

 

OG?  They drafted Ehringer a year ago and I can't see them giving up on him already.  Maybe they look to upgrade from Ldt, but the idea that they have to draft a RG on Friday is silly.  I think they like the Canadian, so I don't anticipate one.  I see them adding a cheap FA with high potential to the depth chart, which is why I put Warmack on the FA list.  If you need proof that OG isn't some super safe pick, look no further.

 

Now as for trading up, I could see them parting with one of their picks in Day 3 because they're going to be stacked with them but I can't see them parting with pre-Saturday choices as they will need as many of those selections as they can get due to being in poor cap shape.  Will keep them out of the FA hustle.



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Posted 12 February 2017 - 05:45 AM

Dobbs will come down to how receptive he is to a position change and how do does in drills as a receiver or runner.  I think he's gonna be a very raw project, which is why I see him as a 7th.

 

As a passer, he's an UDFA.

 

As for Kaaya, he's going to sink because there's a lot of tape on his mistakes on decision making and this class is pretty loaded quantity wise.  He's going to be a forgotten guy, but I do think he's the best natural thrower in this draft. 

 

His decision making and lack of mobility will drop him, but I don't think that will deter Andy because he did draft Foles.  Bray seems to have a 3rd string ceiling and the Chiefs seem to believe so, as they were fast to scoop up on Foles when he was released.

 

 

Already addressed Kaaya.  He's still trending late 3-early 4 right now.

 

The problem for KC is that they're drafting so late in the first that they're not going to really going to have a good shot at the first round trends at either QB or ILB.

 

A list of teams that are/could be in the QB market:

Browns, 49ers, Bears, Jets, Chargers (Rivers is getting old and has taken a piss pounding lately; int prone), Bills, Saints (Brees is old and stupid expensive), Cardinals (Palmer is an old brokedick), Redskins (if they let Cousins leave), Broncos (Semen and Lynch probably don't project well in McCoys offense), Giants (Eli is old), Texans (Brock is shit), Patriots (will need to reload after they find a sucker to take Jimmy)

 

Now granted some of those teams pick after KC and some will fill their needs before the draft. 

 

The Browns probably go after Tyrod (fits in the offense so well) and the 49ers will give up a shitload to nab Jimmy.  I could see 3 of them flying off the board pretty fast to the Bears, Jets and Bills.  That will leave one QB left for the rest of the round and the Cardinals absolutely have to prepare for life after Carson.  if they wait till later, Houston will absolutely take who's left.

 

As for ILB, there are really only 2 ILB's worth taking in the first round.  Foster will certainly come off the board in the top 10 and Cunningham won't make it past the Redskins, unless they go full stupid and have to draft a QB.

 

Davis is a 2 down backer and taking a 2 down backer on Thursday is terrible for value.  That's why many bama backers slid out of Thursday, after being talked up as first rounders.

 

CB?  They don't need to draft one.  Terrance Mitchell played well enough to deserve a starting role in 2017, Nelson is strong as long as he stays in the slot and they drafted a fair share of CB's a year ago and traded for another.  Gaines might actually be recovered from his knee problems next year also.  I think they are fine at CB right now.

 

OG?  They drafted Ehringer a year ago and I can't see them giving up on him already.  Maybe they look to upgrade from Ldt, but the idea that they have to draft a RG on Friday is silly.  I think they like the Canadian, so I don't anticipate one.  I see them adding a cheap FA with high potential to the depth chart, which is why I put Warmack on the FA list.  If you need proof that OG isn't some super safe pick, look no further.

 

Now as for trading up, I could see them parting with one of their picks in Day 3 because they're going to be stacked with them but I can't see them parting with pre-Saturday choices as they will need as many of those selections as they can get due to being in poor cap shape.  Will keep them out of the FA hustle.

The Chiefs can get by with Mitchell and Nelson, but I'd be more comfortable with a little better quality to play across from Peters.  Not sold on Gaines.

 

Ehringer will be a starter if healthy, but the Chiefs need an upgrade over LDT.  Good story, but not enough push.

 

The draft is deep at RB and JC may be done or at least less effective.

 

As for ILB, Cunningham may fall to the Chiefs but if not, Watts, Davis, and McMillan would be good second day picks.  

 

I don't think Kaaya will last until the 27th pick of the third round.  Too good of an arm and teams will think they can coach him up into a starter.  I could be wrong. 



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Posted 12 February 2017 - 05:57 AM

The Chiefs can get by with Mitchell and Nelson, but I'd be more comfortable with a little better quality to play across from Peters. Not sold on Gaines.

Ehringer will be a starter if healthy, but the Chiefs need an upgrade over LDT. Good story, but not enough push.

The draft is deep at RB and JC may be done or at least less effective.

As for ILB, Cunningham may fall to the Chiefs but if not, Watts, Davis, and McMillan would be good second day picks.

I don't think Kaaya will last until the 27th pick of the third round. Too good of an arm and teams will think they can coach him up into a starter. I could be wrong.


Mitchell was outstanding.

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Posted 12 February 2017 - 11:20 PM

I think Christian McCaffrey or Joe Mixon in the 1st round would have the biggest impact to help the Chiefs right away.



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Posted 12 February 2017 - 11:23 PM

The biggest issue on the OL was the LG. People seem to complain about Ware, but the issue was probably Zach Fulton. Ware's average dropped exactly 1 yard per carry when Ehinger was injured, and Fulton replaced him.

 

LDT was as good as Fisher. Ehinger was better than both of them. Mitch Morse was the second best on the line. Mitchell Schwartz was as described. He worked through some injuries, but was clearly the best player on the line

 

The Chiefs do need help on their line They need depth. Jah Reid, and Zach Fulton are not good enough. If the new guy is better than Ehinger or LDT, then the team has a better starter, and more depth. Either way, but the Chiefs do need to address the line.



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Posted 12 February 2017 - 11:26 PM

OG Forrest Lamp is suppose to be a good one.



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Posted 12 February 2017 - 11:47 PM

OG Forrest Lamp is suppose to be a good one.

He is on my list. I have seen him placed all over in mocks, but generally in the second round. It is early. Generally we get a better idea of where players will fall, after the combine. Picking OL is tough. Larry Warford was supposed to be good. He fell to the third round, and most thought Detroit stole him. He has not worked out. It goes both ways. Terron Armstead blew away others at the combine. The man ran a 4.7 40! He was from tiny Pine Bluff, and relatively inexperienced. So, although some mock drafts had him as high as round one, New Orleans snagged him in the third round. Armstead is tremendous. He is better than others taken ahead of him.



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Posted 12 February 2017 - 11:55 PM

What I like about Forrest Lamp is that he played well against Alabama.






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