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#21 oldtimer

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 08:58 PM

Bucky Hodges just ran a fast 40. I expected he would be fast, but he was even better than I presumed. 6'6" tall, 257 pounds, and still ran a sub 4.6 40. Also impressive was his 39 inch vertical, and 134 inch broad jump. How would defense match up against Kelce and Hodges, if the Chiefs selected him? Likely, not well.

 

These TEs are a lot faster this year. It's a much better year for that position than last year. That is why you go for the best value in the draft over positional need.

 

Adam Shaheen weighed in at 278 pounds, and still ran a decent 40. What impressed me was his ability to catch the sideline pass, and toe tap both feet in bounds. Very hard to do for a big man to have that kind of agility. He has soft hands. Those are things you cannot teach. He can be taught to be a better blocker. Tony G was horrible at blocking, but figured it out. A man that size with the ability to catch the ball over his shoulder is impossible to defend.

 

 

not if the QB doesn't throw well enough..



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Posted 04 March 2017 - 09:26 PM

And an island.


He had to wear adidas shoes for that. Had Nikes on.

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 09:54 PM

He had to wear adidas shoes for that. Had Nikes on.


What a dumbass.

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 10:33 PM

not if the QB doesn't throw well enough..

There is a QB on the staff who can throw that.



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Posted 04 March 2017 - 10:34 PM

Jesus ran a 4.58.



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Posted 04 March 2017 - 11:25 PM

But that was on water. Had it been turf... Oh my, we had a momentary locker room swerve. I apologize for my sophomoric lack of restraint. Funny though.
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Posted 04 March 2017 - 11:45 PM

But that was on water. Had it been turf... Oh my, we had a momentary locker room swerve. I apologize for my sophomoric lack of restraint. Funny though.

Nah, it's all good.



#28 Calichief

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Posted 05 March 2017 - 02:06 AM

John Ross broke the 40 record. 4.22 is the new mark. Earned himself a big paycheck.


Washington?

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Posted 05 March 2017 - 05:55 AM

I'm not as high on McCaffrey as others. I think that if you want a gadget player like him, Curtis Samuel will give you more bang for your buck.


He is not a gadget player. He is going to make defenders look stoopid in the NFL. I think he's more of a combo rb/slot than E though.

As deep as the RB class is, I wouldn't trade up that high and no way do I give up a 2nd to make E's trade.

However the kid is special. The movement skills he put on display at the combine were sick. By far the best in this class.

He would add a whole new dimension to our offense so I would not be pissed if it went down like that.

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Posted 05 March 2017 - 06:21 AM

He is not a gadget player. He is going to make defenders look stoopid in the NFL. I think he's more of a combo rb/slot than E though.

As deep as the RB class is, I wouldn't trade up that high and no way do I give up a 2nd to make E's trade.

However the kid is special. The movement skills he put on display at the combine were sick. By far the best in this class.

He would add a whole new dimension to our offense so I would not be pissed if it went down like that.


Gadget player my ass.

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Posted 05 March 2017 - 08:28 AM

He is not a gadget player. He is going to make defenders look stoopid in the NFL. I think he's more of a combo rb/slot than E though.
As deep as the RB class is, I wouldn't trade up that high and no way do I give up a 2nd to make E's trade.
However the kid is special. The movement skills he put on display at the combine were sick. By far the best in this class.
He would add a whole new dimension to our offense so I would not be pissed if it went down like that.

He's not a gadget player but you see him being used as one? Okay.

That line isn't an indicator of him not being talented. I never said that he didn't have great athleticism.

In fact, that's why he's going to have a gadget player type of role. He's going to get a lot of touches out of the back field, lining up as a receiver and as a returner. He's going to be an offensive swiss army knife.

Samuel is going to be the same way and I am very intrigued with his pure speed. Lots of Percy Harvin in him, with hopefully more durability.

With the RB workouts in the books, I think McCaffrey has a shot at being the 2nd RB taken. Dalvin Cook had a pretth horrible performance for a guy that was expected to contend for that top slot.

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Posted 05 March 2017 - 10:16 AM

This going to be one wild draft. There are at least two hot receivers. There are three TEs that are round 1 picks. The best player is a 4-3 DE with ideal size, and the physical skills that could translate to a 3-4 OLB. There are some nice safeties, and corners. Oh, and maybe the best RB since Peterson in Fournette. Plus, there are at least ten running backs that will be playing major minutes in the NFL this season.

 

The  only thing not sure about the draft is the ready to go QB situation. Watson may come closest. I know a lot of people are hyping Trubisky, but I think Watson is better. Quarterbacks may be developmental in this draft, but there are plenty of them. Likely three QBs in the first round, and another two in the second. By the end of the fifth round, there will be another two that may go by late third. Bethard is going to make some squad. Seth Russell has had a lot of hard luck, but he is worth a fifth round pick. I don't see one who stands out  as a sure thing, but there are plenty guys that you can work with.

 

The three tragic things that are making it difficult for quarterbacks to come in, and start right away are the demise of the European league, the spread formation offense, and a rush to leave college early. These guys come in as dual purpose QBs out of HS, and have to pick things up in two years, the come to the NFL, where they suddenly have to learn how to take a five step drop from under Center. Not many have their mechanics worked out. Their physical size is not yet established, and there is no place to really learn their craft. Plus, the rules teams have to adhere to make training an formative candidate nearly impossible. The coaches' hands are tied. 



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Posted 05 March 2017 - 12:27 PM

The more I watch from Jerod Evans, the more long-term project I see and him being taken far too early in your draft.

Things I like:
-He will step up and stick with beinga pocket passer. Thisis more of a rare trait as time goes by.
-Good athlete with a live arm

Things I don't like:

The kid is raw, extremely raw. I wonder who advised him to leave Virginia Tech because he's not ready. He really, really should have returned for another season.

His anticipation just isn't thereand it's extremely noticeable that he doesn't trust his own anticipation. He seems quite unsure about when he should let that ball go and will pull it back in to think about it some more. He's gonna get lit up as a pro doing that.

Sloppy footwork, throwing motion is off and loses his focus nearly completely when the pressure is o him. He does well keeping his eyes down the field while on the run, as long as the heat isn't on.

I waw more impressed with the Justin Fuente system than I was about Jerod Evans. I like the athletic ability, the arm and his size. I just don't see enough potential to really get excited.

Looks like a 5th-6th rounder to me and his range really comes down to just how much you like that potential. He's going to have to learn the QB position completely and will need to be a #3 QB for years.

I'm not against drafting him completely. Especially with a coach like Andy Reid. He's just not a guy I would take before lunchtime on Saturday and certainly wouldn't be the first QB I would choose.

The Chiefs are a little bit dire at the position to hitch their wagon to him. I think his best fit would be with the Chargers.

Would get to sit behind and learn from a fringe future HoF, would project well in that kind of Offensive system and would have very little pressure on him for at least a few years.

The Chargerscould stand to have a future QB that's a little more mobile than Rivers.

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Posted 05 March 2017 - 10:14 PM

He's not a gadget player but you see him being used as one? Okay.

That line isn't an indicator of him not being talented. I never said that he didn't have great athleticism.

In fact, that's why he's going to have a gadget player type of role. He's going to get a lot of touches out of the back field, lining up as a receiver and as a returner. He's going to be an offensive swiss army knife.

Samuel is going to be the same way and I am very intrigued with his pure speed. Lots of Percy Harvin in him, with hopefully more durability.

With the RB workouts in the books, I think McCaffrey has a shot at being the 2nd RB taken. Dalvin Cook had a pretth horrible performance for a guy that was expected to contend for that top slot.


I don't consider a combo rb/slot a gadget player. A gadget player is DAT, a guy that has talent but is not a full time player; it's someone you have to design plays around. You could give this kid 15+ carries and 15+ routes a game from the slot. That's not a gadget player, that's a versatile player who wins you matchups.

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Posted 05 March 2017 - 10:46 PM

I think you're using touches to define a guy as gadget or not and I think any guy that doesn't have a specific role as a gadget player.

They are moved around a lot to fill multiple roles and create mismatches. Someone with just a handful of plays is just a situational guy.

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Posted 05 March 2017 - 11:01 PM

Hearing people talk he sounds like a good fit to take JCs role over. But I think we are pretty good at running back. West and Ware are a little underrated because of our run blocking.

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Posted 05 March 2017 - 11:07 PM

The one question I have is how many touches he'll really be able to handle.

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Posted 05 March 2017 - 11:23 PM

Yeah, and how many would be available here. I am a BFF proponent, but this doesn't seem like an option. I would like the heat seeking missile from Bama to built up the ILB position. If a stud CB is there cool. Man Peters is going to be hard to resign and I am just cautiously optimistic that Mitchell can repeat.

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Posted 06 March 2017 - 12:52 AM

Hearing people talk he sounds like a good fit to take JCs role over. But I think we are pretty good at running back. West and Ware are a little underrated because of our run blocking.

JC performed pretty well with worse lines than the Chiefs had this year.  They need a #1 RB with Ware as an alternative.  This class is loaded with RBs.



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Posted 06 March 2017 - 01:01 AM

The more I watch from Jerod Evans, the more long-term project I see and him being taken far too early in your draft.

Things I like:
-He will step up and stick with beinga pocket passer. Thisis more of a rare trait as time goes by.
-Good athlete with a live arm

Things I don't like:

The kid is raw, extremely raw. I wonder who advised him to leave Virginia Tech because he's not ready. He really, really should have returned for another season.

His anticipation just isn't thereand it's extremely noticeable that he doesn't trust his own anticipation. He seems quite unsure about when he should let that ball go and will pull it back in to think about it some more. He's gonna get lit up as a pro doing that.

Sloppy footwork, throwing motion is off and loses his focus nearly completely when the pressure is o him. He does well keeping his eyes down the field while on the run, as long as the heat isn't on.

I waw more impressed with the Justin Fuente system than I was about Jerod Evans. I like the athletic ability, the arm and his size. I just don't see enough potential to really get excited.

Looks like a 5th-6th rounder to me and his range really comes down to just how much you like that potential. He's going to have to learn the QB position completely and will need to be a #3 QB for years.

I'm not against drafting him completely. Especially with a coach like Andy Reid. He's just not a guy I would take before lunchtime on Saturday and certainly wouldn't be the first QB I would choose.

The Chiefs are a little bit dire at the position to hitch their wagon to him. I think his best fit would be with the Chargers.

Would get to sit behind and learn from a fringe future HoF, would project well in that kind of Offensive system and would have very little pressure on him for at least a few years.

The Chargerscould stand to have a future QB that's a little more mobile than Rivers.

Moving on from VA Tech seems to have been a mistake on the  surface. There are reasons though. First, VA Tech will be bringing in Malik Zaire, graduate QB from Notre Dame, next year. Zaire is being coy, and won't make it official until April, but they also have other players. Kansas QB, Ryan Willis is transferring, and freshman Hendron Hooker (an unfortunate name) is a four star player, and already enrolled at VA Tech. So, it is possible coach Fuente gave him advise. Also, VA Tech is losing their two top receivers along with Evans (Hodges is in one of my mock drafts - extremely apt TE). Finally, the biggest reason may have been family. His father, and mother run an insurance company out of their home. They have a good family. The older sister, and a brother are in college. He has a second sister in a parochial school. His older brother is a college graduate. One of his brothers, Caleb is going to college at Louisiana Monroe. http://247sports.com...leb-evans-87841 His father, Efran Evans attempted to play in the NFL, but didn't make it. In all, there are nine kids, and were sent to catholic schools. His youngest brother is physically, and mentally impaired. The costs for his care is a hardship for the family, but no one is complaining. http://www.dallasnew...little-brotherĀ  They all learned to pitch in. Jerod Evans is 23 years old. Because of his ACL injury, he got a late start. Most pro scouts mark down a college QB if they are 24 or older. It is a little known fact that quarterbacks that enter the draft at age 24 or older usually do not succeed. So, he had reasons.






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