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U.S Launches Airstrikes in Syria


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#21 NChiefsCorner

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Posted 07 April 2017 - 08:58 PM

Did Susan Rice have a national security reason to spy on who Trump was talking to, if so, what was the reason? :o



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Posted 07 April 2017 - 09:00 PM

You don't think the fact that ISIS can get it's hands on Syria's chemical weapons is a national security risk. :wacko:



#23 BroncoStud

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Posted 07 April 2017 - 09:05 PM

We are helping to protect Israel, Turkey, Jordan and the GCC Countries all whom are our "allies" in the region. Unlike with Hussein, now the folks over there understand we wont let politics get in the way of doing the right thing.

Syria is bot only a threat to their own people but to those around them. If you will use chemical weapons on your own people you won't think twice about using them on others.

The right amount of force was used and against the right type of target.

Turkey is not our ally.  Israel is questionably our ally, they certainly benefit far more from this arrangement that the USA does...  Jordan - meh.  

 

I'm not sure why you guys are so quick to trust US intelligence or the Pentagon, who pushes war after war, these are the same assholes who had the great idea to destabilize Syria in the first place, greatly expounding this civil war and causing a migration crisis, because Hillary Clinton was a willing warmonger to push said agenda, and Obama was too much of a pussy to stop them.

 

With all the hysterics just remember, the USA is not the police of the world nor can it afford to be.  This has FAR more to do with geopolitics than it does some chemically burned children.  The Pentagon and intelligence community don't give a shit about Syrian children, they only care about their agenda, and how they can use images of Syrian children to achieve it. 



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Posted 07 April 2017 - 09:09 PM

Turkey is a member of NATO, so they should be an ally.



#25 Chiefsfan1963

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Posted 07 April 2017 - 11:39 PM

We are still flying out of Turkey and we still have a base in Turkey so yes they are our ally, maybe not as good as some but an ally still the same. Israel is our BEST ally in the region eventhough Hussein tried to ruin that.

Any country who gasses their own deserves to be hit, end of story.

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Posted 08 April 2017 - 12:00 AM

We are helping to protect Israel, Turkey, Jordan and the GCC Countries all whom are our "allies" in the region. Unlike with Hussein, now the folks over there understand we wont let politics get in the way of doing the right thing.

Syria is bot only a threat to their own people but to those around them. If you will use chemical weapons on your own people you won't think twice about using them on others.

The right amount of force was used and against the right type of target.

eh. syria didn't bother anyone militarily before the revolution

 

the region stands to be worse off once he's ousted

 

just like iraq



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Posted 08 April 2017 - 12:03 AM

Turkey is not our ally.  Israel is questionably our ally, they certainly benefit far more from this arrangement that the USA does...  Jordan - meh.  

 

I'm not sure why you guys are so quick to trust US intelligence or the Pentagon, who pushes war after war, these are the same assholes who had the great idea to destabilize Syria in the first place, greatly expounding this civil war and causing a migration crisis, because Hillary Clinton was a willing warmonger to push said agenda, and Obama was too much of a pussy to stop them.

 

With all the hysterics just remember, the USA is not the police of the world nor can it afford to be.  This has FAR more to do with geopolitics than it does some chemically burned children.  The Pentagon and intelligence community don't give a shit about Syrian children, they only care about their agenda, and how they can use images of Syrian children to achieve it. 

yep



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Posted 08 April 2017 - 12:06 AM

eh. syria didn't bother anyone militarily before the revolution

the region stands to be worse off once he's ousted

just like iraq


Yep

#29 Chiefsfan1963

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Posted 08 April 2017 - 12:13 AM

eh. syria didn't bother anyone militarily before the revolution

the region stands to be worse off once he's ousted

just like iraq

Hitler didn't really bother the U.S. either. Neither did Noriega or many other piss ant countries. Some in here believe as long as it doesn't directly affect the U.S. we shouldn't bother.

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Posted 08 April 2017 - 12:15 AM

Hitler didn't really bother the U.S. either. Neither did Noriega or many other piss ant countries. Some in here believe as long as it doesn't directly affect the U.S. we shouldn't bother.

hitler marched into austria, then czechoslovakia, then poland, then belgium, luxemborg and france, then russia... before we entered the war

 

hardly a good comparison



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Posted 08 April 2017 - 12:16 AM

Hitler didn't really bother the U.S. either. Neither did Noriega or many other piss ant countries. Some in here believe as long as it doesn't directly affect the U.S. we shouldn't bother.


Uh...Hitler declared war against us.

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Posted 08 April 2017 - 12:23 AM

Uh...Hitler declared war against us.


But you know, other than that...

#33 Chiefsfan1963

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Posted 08 April 2017 - 12:52 AM

hitler marched into austria, then czechoslovakia, then poland, then belgium, luxemborg and france, then russia... before we entered the war

hardly a good comparison

How did he directly affect the U.S.?

#34 Chiefsfan1963

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Posted 08 April 2017 - 12:54 AM

Uh...Hitler declared war against us.

Yep, right after the Japs bombed us and we declared war on Japan.

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Posted 08 April 2017 - 01:02 AM

eh. syria didn't bother anyone militarily before the revolution

 

 

A few people in Lebanon might disagree, but you're right that Assad doesn't directly threaten the USA.  The moral/ethical question is whether we stand by while massive numbers of civilians are murdered.  People are even more outraged when poison gas is used on kids.  Trump's reaction was meant to send a message and was really a minimum risk.  No Americans in danger.  Russians given warning so none of their planes were hit.  Precision Tomahawks for little collateral damage.  If it stops Assad from some atrocities, then it's worth it.  Little downside and probably more respect from some quarters.  The real test is not to get sucked further into an unwinnable conflict.  I think Trump is aware of useless entanglements and won't push it at this point.  He'd already announced that his policy wasn't to oust Assad.



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Posted 08 April 2017 - 01:18 AM

Not really sure what the point was.

They had enough notice to move their stuff and the base is still usable for them to send out the military to attack citizens. Seems like a big waste of money.

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Posted 08 April 2017 - 01:42 AM

A few people in Lebanon might disagree, but you're right that Assad doesn't directly threaten the USA. The moral/ethical question is whether we stand by while massive numbers of civilians are murdered. People are even more outraged when poison gas is used on kids. Trump's reaction was meant to send a message and was really a minimum risk. No Americans in danger. Russians given warning so none of their planes were hit. Precision Tomahawks for little collateral damage. If it stops Assad from some atrocities, then it's worth it. Little downside and probably more respect from some quarters. The real test is not to get sucked further into an unwinnable conflict. I think Trump is aware of useless entanglements and won't push it at this point. He'd already announced that his policy wasn't to oust Assad.


Meh. China and Russia both have done lots worse to many more people in their own population and we do Jack squat. The only difference is syria is an easier target. Hell women are being targeted in Africa and we don't do shit.

Yeah it sucks but we can't police the world.

Be wary of foreign entanglements. Good advice from our first president in his farewell address. Would have saved us a lot of trouble over the years if we'd have listened.

Of course he also warned of the danger of factions (meaning political parties) and public debt.

Whoops.

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Posted 08 April 2017 - 01:52 AM

Turkey is a member of NATO, so they should be an ally.

Turkey has a leader who is as bad or worse than Assad, their government is now led by Islamic radicals.  They are no ally hence the US hurrying to remove the nuclear arsenal it had long stored there when Turkey staged it's own coup and then cracked down on non-Islamic segments of the military and government, oh, and academia.  Turkey is no ally.


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Posted 08 April 2017 - 02:59 AM

It's all fucked up. Develop our own energy sources and stay the fuck out of the middle East.
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Posted 08 April 2017 - 04:02 AM

So what do you want?  Does the world have the right to attack a country who's leader is committing genocide against civilian children?  Should Hilter have been taken out in 1943 if we had the ability?  It's a tough question.  What I do think is that if Trump was going to hit Syria, it had to be immediate.  Warning the Russians was probably a good move.  We don't need to be killing their military advisors if there's another choice.  Consulting congress is a sure fire way to do nothing.  The debates would have been endless and political without ever reaching concensus.  Obama drew his infamous red line and then turned the problem over to congress when Assad used chem weapons and nothing happened.  I understand you sensitivity about Vietnam, but this isn't the same thing.  So far, I back what Trump did and expect the blowback to be nothing long term.  There's a chance that Assad was testing Trump and got his answer.  There's a better chance that Putin will tell Assad to never do that again.  JMHO

Yes we should have taken Hitler out in 1943. We were a t war with Germany. The better question is s should we have taken Hitler out in 1939. That answer is not so easy.




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