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New York Becomes Only State to Offer Free Four-Year College


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#1 kcchief4lif

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Posted 10 April 2017 - 04:19 PM

New York will be the only state in the country to cover four-year public college tuition for residents after the program was included in the budget package approved Sunday night.

The state's Excelsior Scholarship program will be rolled out in tiers over the next three years, starting with full coverage of four-year college tuition this fall for students whose families make less than $100,000.

The income cap will increase to $110,000 in 2018 and $125,000 in 2019.

"With this budget, New York has the nation's first accessible college program. It's a different model," said Governor Andrew Cuomo Saturday in a statement. "Today, college is what high school was—it should always be an option even if you can't afford it."

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According to Cuomo's office, the budget includes a record $7.5 billion for higher education — though that's only a 6.3 percent increase from 2016.

An estimated 80 percent of New York State's families with college-age kids could use the new program.

The Excelsior Scholarship will be included in the state's Free Application for Federal Student Aid (FAFSA), and students will see that they are eligible when they fill out the forms this spring.

There is no age limit for the program; students must be enrolled full-time with an average of at least 30 credits per year and meet the minimum GPA requirement for their program.

The state is also investing $8 million in electronic books in order to lower costs for students, a spokesperson for Cuomo's office told NBC News.

Free coverage of two-year colleges already exists in Tennessee, Oregon, and Minnesota. According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, about a dozen other states have seen legislation proposed that would do the same.

In January, Cuomo paired up with Sen. Bernie Sanders at a press conference to announce plans for the Excelsior Scholarship. Free college was a central element of Sanders' presidential campaign platform.

"Today what Gov. Cuomo is proposing is a revolutionary idea for higher education," said Sanders at the January press conference. "And it's an idea that is going to reverberate not only throughout the state of New York, but throughout this country."

New York is the first state to extend tuition coverage to four-year colleges, and it's done so just one week after Senator Bernie Sanders introduced the College for All Act in an effort to eliminate college tuition—and the crippling debt that so often comes along with it.

"Higher education in America should be a right for all, not a privilege for the few," Sanders said in an April 3rd statement. "If we are to succeed in a highly competitive global economy and have the best-educated workforce in the world, public colleges and universities must become tuition-free for working families and we must substantially reduce student debt." 

 

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#2 BroncoStud

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Posted 10 April 2017 - 04:50 PM

LOL - let's evaluate this in 5 years and see how stupid the decision was.  We don't need more college degrees, we need more JOBS.



#3 oldtimer

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Posted 10 April 2017 - 04:50 PM

this will be interesting to watch



#4 West

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Posted 10 April 2017 - 06:03 PM

Thank God Trump is the Pres.

 

Let's watch and see how much NYC gets from The State and Federal Governments?

 

The sad facts are that middle America could subsidize this and never know.

 

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Posted 11 April 2017 - 01:42 AM

Thank God Trump is the Pres.

Let's watch and see how much NYC gets from The State and Federal Governments?

The sad facts are that middle America could subsidize this and never know.

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haha

You seriously just said thank god trump is president

#6 mex

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Posted 11 April 2017 - 03:19 AM

haha

You seriously just said thank god trump is president

you find that absurd, but have no problems with a state that is 3.5 billion in debt, that's also the highest taxed state in the country, giving out yet another entitlement to be paid by the taxpayers? 

 

you have a strange set of priorities



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Posted 11 April 2017 - 03:53 AM

Reality is a bitch unless you do not really understand what is happening.

 

Then reality is just a lifelong series of disenfranchisement coupled with a supreme feeling of "i wish I had"....

 

Anything given for free should be looked at with intense skepticism.

 

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Posted 11 April 2017 - 04:01 AM

Haters gonna hate.., Its what they do..,



#9 omahacolt

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Posted 11 April 2017 - 10:20 AM

you find that absurd, but have no problems with a state that is 3.5 billion in debt, that's also the highest taxed state in the country, giving out yet another entitlement to be paid by the taxpayers?

you have a strange set of priorities

I didn't say anything of that nature.

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Posted 11 April 2017 - 11:43 AM

Bernie!  Bernie!  Bernie!


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#11 mex

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Posted 11 April 2017 - 12:52 PM

I didn't say anything of that nature.

you expressed outrage at west's comment

 

you were silent about this ridiculous unaffordable entitlement created ONLY to garner votes.

 

it's what the democrats do... they lose elections because they have no principles, so all they have in their toolbox is to offer a voting bloc more freebies on the backs of your children.

 

you should be so proud


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#12 jetlord

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Posted 11 April 2017 - 02:29 PM

So 80% get free education which means it will be paid for by the top 20%.  The family making 100,000 will work a little less to get the freebie and of course the program will get an 80% approval rating from the voters.  What could be wrong with something that 4/5 of the people gain from?  What happens when the top 20% export themselves to a different state?  What happens to the quality of education when every 18 year old has a free place to hang out?



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Posted 11 April 2017 - 03:26 PM

And....it will not be contained to  NY State Tax payers....

 

Just like California, the shorelines are now feeding at the trough created by the middle.

 

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#14 omahacolt

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Posted 11 April 2017 - 04:20 PM

you expressed outrage at west's comment

you were silent about this ridiculous unaffordable entitlement created ONLY to garner votes.

it's what the democrats do... they lose elections because they have no principles, so all they have in their toolbox is to offer a voting bloc more freebies on the backs of your children.

you should be so proud

i did not express outrage. I thought it was funny.

#15 omahacolt

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Posted 11 April 2017 - 04:25 PM

So 80% get free education which means it will be paid for by the top 20%. The family making 100,000 will work a little less to get the freebie and of course the program will get an 80% approval rating from the voters. What could be wrong with something that 4/5 of the people gain from? What happens when the top 20% export themselves to a different state? What happens to the quality of education when every 18 year old has a free place to hang out?

wouldnt everyone pay in ny? Through taxes? Just like high school?

But I don't like this set up. It should be all or none. The people making over 100,000 shouldn't have to pay either. In this scenario. I am not sold on free college

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Posted 11 April 2017 - 05:33 PM

wouldnt everyone pay in ny? Through taxes? Just like high school?

But I don't like this set up. It should be all or none. The people making over 100,000 shouldn't have to pay either. In this scenario. I am not sold on free college

You're probably right, they would pay something but it would be much less than those making more.  What about those GenXers who paid their own way through, either by working or through loans, and now have to share their productivity with those who take the free ride?  How about seniors who did the same?  In today's society, college is available for nearly everyone who has the ability, ambition, and desire.  There's grants, guaranteed loans, work-study, part time jobs, scholarships and other sources many of which are based on need.  Sure, it's easier for Richie Rich than for Low Income Larry, but there's no way to change that.  Free for everyone just creates demand, increases costs, and frustrates unqualified kids.  This is another scheme to buy votes through a "free" giveaway to uninformed voters.



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Posted 11 April 2017 - 05:49 PM

Here's another twist.  The bill for free education includes a provision that the students have to remain in New York for some period depending on the number of years they get the free tuition.  So if one graduates but can only find acceptable employment in New Jersey, I assume they could remain in NY unemployed and collect welfare instead of using that free degree elsewhere.  Isn't socialism a great plan?


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Posted 11 April 2017 - 11:41 PM

Here's another twist. The bill for free education includes a provision that the students have to remain in New York for some period depending on the number of years they get the free tuition. So if one graduates but can only find acceptable employment in New Jersey, I assume they could remain in NY unemployed and collect welfare instead of using that free degree elsewhere. Isn't socialism a great plan?

i have heard of nurses getting something similar. If they work in a certain place for a specified amount of time, their tuition is paid

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Posted 11 April 2017 - 11:46 PM

Let the hospital pay for the nurses college in return for employment, the taxpayer shouldn't have to pay for some ones college. :blink:



#20 omahacolt

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Posted 11 April 2017 - 11:47 PM

Let the hospital pay for the nurses college in return for employment, the taxpayer shouldn't have to pay for some ones college. :blink:

but all other schooling is fine?




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