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#81 BroncoStud

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 12:57 AM

I'm not and it's why I dumped the Republican party long ago. Anyone who values the flag over liberty doesn't understand what this country stands for to begin with. Everyone who ever died for this country didn't do it so people could be ridiculed by the vice president for standing up or even kneeling down for something they believe in. For him to flaunt his belief that pageantry is more important than liberty in such an adolescent way is the ultimate disrespect for that office and this country. The first sign of fascism is a government run by a my way or the highway approach. Our liberty has shrunk with every President you just named and apparently now these guys don't even feel the need to hide it anymore.  Anyway nice discussion, but I've got some football to watch. 

You cited "fascism" in your quoted comment, which is yet another misguided Democrat talking point.  There is a major difference in nationalism, as in pride in ones sovereign country, and "fascism", which is a term that really only applies to Benito Mussolini, a LEFTIST who used Socialism AND nationalism to push his political agenda.  The flag is just s symbol of the liberty these ingrates were born with due to the sacrifices of those who came before them. 

 

If you want to get right down to it, the "protest" itself isn't even justified.  What if white people suddenly started peacefully "protesting" the statistical FACT that they are 4 times more likely to be violently victimized by blacks, than blacks are by whites?  How would the media report on that?  In fact, why isn't that a more prominent discussion?  Each race has poverty, but why is the black community so proportionally unbalanced when it comes to single mothers and violent crime?  Why is that not being discussed and addressed?  Is it possible if not likely that police approach black offenders more aggressively because black offenders are mathematically more likely to commit violence against them?  Even beyond that, black or hispanic police officers are more likely to shoot unarmed black civilians than white police officers, so does the racial narrative really apply?

 

I know it's easy to take the easy road and support the "protesters" here, but it changes nothing.  It literally changes nothing.  If you want to SOLVE these social issues then an honest discussion needs to take place in this country, and right now, there is almost no honesty regarding this issue.  It's all political.  Liberals/Democrats don't want to solve it because let's face it, if the black community really assessed how they have been used as political pawns for DECADES by the Democrat Party through identity politics, they wouldn't support the Democrat Party and the liberal mainstream media wouldn't bother to exploit them for ratings.  "Protesting" the flag isn't even the proper course of protest.



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Posted 13 October 2017 - 01:02 AM

You cited "fascism" in your quoted comment, which is yet another misguided Democrat talking point.  There is a major difference in nationalism, as in pride in ones sovereign country, and "fascism", which is a term that really only applies to Benito Mussolini, a LEFTIST who used Socialism AND nationalism to push his political agenda.  The flag is just s symbol of the liberty these ingrates were born with due to the sacrifices of those who came before them. 
 
If you want to get right down to it, the "protest" itself isn't even justified.  What if white people suddenly started peacefully "protesting" the statistical FACT that they are 4 times more likely to be violently victimized by blacks, than blacks are by whites?  How would the media report on that?  In fact, why isn't that a more prominent discussion?  Each race has poverty, but why is the black community so proportionally unbalanced when it comes to single mothers and violent crime?  Why is that not being discussed and addressed?  Is it possible if not likely that police approach black offenders more aggressively because black offenders are mathematically more likely to commit violence against them?  Even beyond that, black or hispanic police officers are more likely to shoot unarmed black civilians than white police officers, so does the racial narrative really apply?
 
I know it's easy to take the easy road and support the "protesters" here, but it changes nothing.  It literally changes nothing.  If you want to SOLVE these social issues then an honest discussion needs to take place in this country, and right now, there is almost no honesty regarding this issue.  It's all political.  Liberals/Democrats don't want to solve it because let's face it, if the black community really assessed how they have been used as political pawns for DECADES by the Democrat Party through identity politics, they wouldn't support the Democrat Party and the liberal mainstream media wouldn't bother to exploit them for ratings.  "Protesting" the flag isn't even the proper course of protest.

YES I am certain African Americans would feel much more comfortable aligning themselves with Republicans if they were only as enlightened as you. Lol

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 01:29 AM

The NFL could also come up with an alternate plan for the kneelers: Allow them to continue, but explain that for every sponsorship dollar and for every dollar the NFL and its teams were forecasted to make prior to the protests..those dollars will be paid back out of the protesters salaries. Just do a head count during the national anthem..and start deducting. They shouldn't feel alienated...or treated any differently than their own actions have welcomed. What the kneelers fail to recognize...is they are destroying a business that has supported them...the NFL isn't to blame for a few police officers who had no self control..99.9999999% of this nation isn't responsible for those officers actions either...this whole situation is just ridiculous..and the kneelers aren't intelligent enough to understand they are cutting their own throats.

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 01:33 AM

Oh by the way..i saw a post on FB..not sure how accurate it is...but close to a million signatures have been collected protesting buying and consuming Budweiser products until the NFL makes it mandatory to respect the flag, the anthem, this country and its citizens...thats a lot of $$$$ Budweiser is losing...and ultimately..what the NFL won't get paid.

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 01:34 AM

Money talks...bullshit kneelers can walk.

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 04:04 AM

Trump talked his way right through military salute today. Too funny.


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Posted 13 October 2017 - 04:09 AM

And oh by the way. The juvenile stunt by Pence, who flew from Las Vegas to Indy for that sole reason and then immediately back to LA, cost the taxpayers $270,000. Way to govern Mr VP.

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 04:13 AM

You cited "fascism" in your quoted comment, which is yet another misguided Democrat talking point. There is a major difference in nationalism, as in pride in ones sovereign country, and "fascism", which is a term that really only applies to Benito Mussolini, a LEFTIST who used Socialism AND nationalism to push his political agenda. The flag is just s symbol of the liberty these ingrates were born with due to the sacrifices of those who came before them.

If you want to get right down to it, the "protest" itself isn't even justified. What if white people suddenly started peacefully "protesting" the statistical FACT that they are 4 times more likely to be violently victimized by blacks, than blacks are by whites? How would the media report on that? In fact, why isn't that a more prominent discussion? Each race has poverty, but why is the black community so proportionally unbalanced when it comes to single mothers and violent crime? Why is that not being discussed and addressed? Is it possible if not likely that police approach black offenders more aggressively because black offenders are mathematically more likely to commit violence against them? Even beyond that, black or hispanic police officers are more likely to shoot unarmed black civilians than white police officers, so does the racial narrative really apply?

I know it's easy to take the easy road and support the "protesters" here, but it changes nothing. It literally changes nothing. If you want to SOLVE these social issues then an honest discussion needs to take place in this country, and right now, there is almost no honesty regarding this issue. It's all political. Liberals/Democrats don't want to solve it because let's face it, if the black community really assessed how they have been used as political pawns for DECADES by the Democrat Party through identity politics, they wouldn't support the Democrat Party and the liberal mainstream media wouldn't bother to exploit them for ratings. "Protesting" the flag isn't even the proper course of protest.


You keep burying your head in the sand about real issues and keep focusing on the trivial just like this administration tells you to. We don't suppress liberty in my house.

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 12:32 PM

You keep burying your head in the sand about real issues and keep focusing on the trivial just like this administration tells you to. We don't suppress liberty in my house.

I don't listen to anything this administration does, I have been saying these things for years, the Obama Administration was worse for race relations than this one.  I just explained to you the real issues, you just don't want to hear them.  Blindly supporting Kaepernick's movement is just blissful ignorance.

 

By the way, you appear to support the Democrats/liberals on pretty much all of these issues thus far, there is no "liberty" there.  I am a Libertarian, you won't find an ( R ) or ( D ) in front of my name. Liberty doesn't see color, a demographic, it sees the individual.  And when you constantly divide by race, gender, religion, whatever identity one can choose to focus on, you aren't doing so in favor or liberty, you are doing it in the name of political football (Malcolm X terminology, and he's right).



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Posted 13 October 2017 - 12:33 PM

YES I am certain African Americans would feel much more comfortable aligning themselves with Republicans if they were only as enlightened as you. Lol

You're right, they wouldn't be Republicans, they would be Libertarians.  So would anyone else who bothered to study history or read the US Constitution.



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Posted 13 October 2017 - 02:59 PM

What are the real issues Mloe?

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 03:14 PM

What are the real issues Mloe?

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The interview with peters the other day didn't make much sense.

 

"Nobody's gotta know my reason why I sit," Peters told the Kansas City Star's Terez A. Paylor. "Nobody's gotta know the reason why somebody chooses the religion they choose. Nobody's gotta know why I eat cereal instead of eating oatmeal in the morning."  

 

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 03:50 PM

What are the real issues Mloe?

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20 trillion dollar debt, more people locked up in our prisons than anywhere else in the world, ridiculous health care costs, decades of failed foreign policy, an unconstitutional Patriot Act, worsening racial relations, taxation without representation through anti capitalism actions by the Federal Reserve, ect, ect. There is a lot you can kneel for in the country right now as our two party system fails us. Focusing on the act itself, rather than the underlying issues American citiizens should be worried about that cause this type of thing are what I would call burying your head in the sand. But that's just me.

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 03:53 PM

The interview with peters the other day didn't make much sense.

"Nobody's gotta know my reason why I sit," Peters told the Kansas City Star's Terez A. Paylor. "Nobody's gotta know the reason why somebody chooses the religion they choose. Nobody's gotta know why I eat cereal instead of eating oatmeal in the morning."

https://www.cbssport...ational-anthem/


Peters is a confused 24 year old kid that just has an attitude problem. Somebody he trusts needs to get ahold of him and make him understand the way he's acting Isnt helping anything and much worse is effecting his play.

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 03:58 PM

Peters is a confused 24 year old kid that just has an attitude problem. Somebody he trusts needs to get ahold of him and make him understand the way he's acting Isnt helping anything and much worse is effecting his play.

I agree..   The 610 interview with Larry Johnson was hitting on that pretty good the other day.  LJ was reflecting on the same stuff, when he was at that age.   LJ may not be the best mouth piece for this but you can tell he has matured.

 

I can say 1 thing for 100%.   I sure the hell don't know How I would be acting at that age with their kind of success / cash flow.



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Posted 13 October 2017 - 09:42 PM

I agree..   The 610 interview with Larry Johnson was hitting on that pretty good the other day.  LJ was reflecting on the same stuff, when he was at that age.   LJ may not be the best mouth piece for this but you can tell he has matured.

 

I can say 1 thing for 100%.   I sure the hell don't know How I would be acting at that age with their kind of success / cash flow.

LJ actually sounds like the perfect guy to comment on this. Vermeil made the statement about taking the diapers off and it might apply to Peters now 15 years later. LJ always seemed like a ticking time bomb of angst and emotion and Peters is the same way. LJ was and Peters is just a kid in many ways that clearly doesn't trust many people.



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Posted 14 October 2017 - 02:50 PM

Mloe,

I agree with your list of issues as they are real. However, I think the root causes are:

1. Horrible Public School system

2. Horrible tax code that penalizes companies and individual investors from putting their money in the USA

3. Obama's failed "stimulus" that cost over $10 trillion and really, gave us nothing.

4. Most here agree its time to end the fed.

5. Most here prefer the Flat tax ( of something very, very simple)

6. Most here agree that the DNC/RNC/MSM have nothing to do with the best interests of average Americans.

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Posted 14 October 2017 - 05:48 PM

Mloe,

I agree with your list of issues as they are real. However, I think the root causes are:

1. Horrible Public School system

2. Horrible tax code that penalizes companies and individual investors from putting their money in the USA

3. Obama's failed "stimulus" that cost over $10 trillion and really, gave us nothing.

4. Most here agree its time to end the fed.

5. Most here prefer the Flat tax ( of something very, very simple)

6. Most here agree that the DNC/RNC/MSM have nothing to do with the best interests of average Americans.

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Public schools are not the root cause of our problems as I believe our schools are so good where I live that my daughter is getting a private school level education in a public high school. Likewise my nephews just graduated from the same school and is now st Cal Berkely. The problem really comes from unfunded mandates like No Child Left Behind courtesy of the Bush administration. We simply need to encourage STEM career paths and be more flexisbke about allowing private business into the curriculum and teaching process.
All those stimulus packages are a complete travesty to capitalism. and the free market. And trying to close our borders, building walls and creating large import tariffs are as well. We continue to police the world on our dime under Trump while increasing our ridiculous defense budget. And yet another President who continues the ludicrous war on drugs as made obvious by his appointment of Jeff Sessions.

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Posted 14 October 2017 - 06:01 PM

Great news on your kids MLoe. But Public schools are a HUGE problem in America. California Public Schools are a perfect example of this as they have declined for the past 30 years, Once at the top of the list, now worse than mediocre.

Of course, we can disagree on this but I sit on two college boards and have been on the Board of trustees for a school district for years. Its harder and harder to find qualified high school graduates for math and science majors.

I would add that I agree with you about STEM but the reall issue is much deeper. Public School teachers are not capable of keeping math and science classes meaningful for kid in middle school.

No algebra by the time you hit high school and STEM is just another tool that students do not use.

Bringing in Private Business to help is great, but that means education standards (Previously controlled by the Dpt of Education) must be amended to allow curriculum input.

Like every other nation I visit, we need to secure our borders.

We can argue about the defense budget, that's a function of capability vs reasonable threats.

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PS sorry about the typos...on a portable.

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Posted 14 October 2017 - 09:41 PM

Public schools are not the root cause of our problems

Yeah.... that would be a local determination, and the overall condition of our public ed system is absolutely horrible

 

you are lucky to have a good school district

 

many aren't

 

we need vouchers






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