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Las Vegas Shooting: 50 Killed and 406 Hurt Near Mandalay Bay


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#21 oldtimer

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 05:08 PM

The problem is, many of the anti gun activists have absolutely no understanding of them.  They fear what they don't understand.  While I advocate for gun ownership, I'm not much of a gun owner.  I still have my 12 gauge that I like to shoot trap with, but I'm not a hunter, and I sold my pistols I had during the Obama administration because the ammo run and whatnot, I wasn't going to pay the prices to just go out and target shoot.  Anyhow, they have this liberal mindset of "guns bad", "climate change" etc.  It's a reflection of what's been drilled into their heads, and not actual reality.  As I said, it's willful ignorance and simply fearing what they don't understand.  Of course they've largely been indoctrinated into believing that the government should be bigger and that it knows what's best for each and every individual.  

 

 

shame because prices are back down to reasonable stockpiling prices

 

 you know my sister? LOL



#22 Chiefsfan1963

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 05:12 PM

I understand your point it can be expensive.

To some it seems silly to pay for ammo to only shoot paper targets and I understand what they are saying. However, to me, you are keeping proficient with a tool that you hope you never have to use but if you do, you can safely and proficiently (sp).

Some don't believe this but shooting is a perishable skill. Yes someone may not shoot for 10 years or so and then pick-up a firearm and hit a target with it but I can almost guarantee they won't be as accurate as they were when they shot on a regular basis.

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 05:18 PM

I understand your point it can be expensive.

To some it seems silly to pay for ammo to only shoot paper targets and I understand what they are saying. However, to me, you are keeping proficient with a tool that you hope you never have to use but if you do, you can safely and proficiently (sp).

Some don't believe this but shooting is a perishable skill. Yes someone may not shoot for 10 years or so and then pick-up a firearm and hit a target with it but I can almost guarantee they won't be as accurate as they were when they shot on a regular basis.

 

 

 I re-learn that every year I pick up my Bow..my muscles dont remember very well



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Posted 02 October 2017 - 05:27 PM

News said he had ten weapons in his room. That tells me he had to have planned this and didn't just snap. How do you get that much stuff in your room.

What is wrong with people who do this? Now 58 dead with 8 more expected to die. Over 500 injured.

#25 Semo

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 05:39 PM

My initial reaction as well, but that's just lazy stereotyping on our parts.

Have you heard the audio?

Sounds like a m249 to me. Definately sounds belt-fed. I wonder what kind of weapon(s) was/were used. Just curiosity on my part, not as a means to create a scapegoat.


A co-worker and I were just discussing it sounding like that.

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 05:42 PM

News said he had ten weapons in his room. That tells me he had to have planned this and didn't just snap. How do you get that much stuff in your room.

What is wrong with people who do this? Now 58 dead with 8 more expected to die. Over 500 injured.

 

 

Hotel had been sold out for weeks maybe over a month  according to some reports..yea this was pre-meditated



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Posted 02 October 2017 - 06:01 PM

Can't really blame the weapons anymore. Terrorists have proven they don't need them. Trucks and vans will do the job as well.

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 07:06 PM

I understand your point it can be expensive.

To some it seems silly to pay for ammo to only shoot paper targets and I understand what they are saying. However, to me, you are keeping proficient with a tool that you hope you never have to use but if you do, you can safely and proficiently (sp).

Some don't believe this but shooting is a perishable skill. Yes someone may not shoot for 10 years or so and then pick-up a firearm and hit a target with it but I can almost guarantee they won't be as accurate as they were when they shot on a regular basis.

Fished my whole life, but was never a hunter.  Shooting was all about sport for me.  I never got a conceal permit, never carried a pistol for the sake of protection, and never felt the need to.  I know a lot of people that do.  I'm a different breed, growing up in rural farm country.  My keys only leave the ignition of the truck if I'm in the city.  I don't lock my doors.  I guess it's still a 1950s style of living.  I prefer it that way because quite honestly I don't like people, well not people but I don't like densely populated areas.  It's been my experience that the more densely the area is populated, the more assholish people tend to be.  Anyways, I kinda got off point.  Shooting is fun, but it wasn't fun enough to warrant the cost of rounds.  



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Posted 02 October 2017 - 07:09 PM

shame because prices are back down to reasonable stockpiling prices

 

 you know my sister? LOL

When you know one, you typically know them all.  I say that because I swear most liberal dems are incapable of thinking for themselves.  They parrot the talking points without any critical thinking and drawing their own conclusions.  Just because I lean right doesn't mean I work in lockstep with every position they have.  There's plenty I disagree with.  Of course if you ask the average dem about global warming (sorry, climate change, since the name didn't fit the narrative anymore) or guns, they can't really tell you anything about either of them in detail to have a well constructed discussion, it's just that they know they are bad.  


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Posted 02 October 2017 - 07:12 PM

Can't really blame the weapons anymore. Terrorists have proven they don't need them. Trucks and vans will do the job as well.

Cannon fuse, gun powder, and some other simple things combined and then wrapped in some ball bearings can do damage beyond your average firearm in terms of maiming.  You don't have to be an explosives expert to be dangerous, especially with the internet.  Of course it's easier to blame the guns. 



#31 Chiefsfan1963

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 07:19 PM

Fished my whole life, but was never a hunter. Shooting was all about sport for me. I never got a conceal permit, never carried a pistol for the sake of protection, and never felt the need to. I know a lot of people that do. I'm a different breed, growing up in rural farm country. My keys only leave the ignition of the truck if I'm in the city. I don't lock my doors. I guess it's still a 1950s style of living. I prefer it that way because quite honestly I don't like people, well not people but I don't like densely populated areas. It's been my experience that the more densely the area is populated, the more assholish people tend to be. Anyways, I kinda got off point. Shooting is fun, but it wasn't fun enough to warrant the cost of rounds.

Right there with you. If my spousal unit would let me I would live in the mountains off the grid and inly come into town when I needed to. I tried to compromise with her, she wants to move back to Washington state to be close to family,I like the state not it's politics. So I said let's buy some land on an island in the Puget Sound. She said no way. To remote for her.

#32 Chiefsfan1963

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 07:21 PM

News said he had ten weapons in his room. That tells me he had to have planned this and didn't just snap. How do you get that much stuff in your room.

What is wrong with people who do this? Now 58 dead with 8 more expected to die. Over 500 injured.

I assume you are agreeing that no law short of banning ALL guns would have prevented the shooting? Even then, with the right amount of money anything can be bought or made.

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 07:59 PM

 This entire article is interesting IMO its educational to those who do not know and has some interesting figures and facts for those who do know..this is just a couple of snippets

 

Wall Street Journal

 

https://www.wsj.com/...966716?mod=e2fb

 

The gunman who authorities said killed at least 58 people at a Las Vegas music festival appears to have used at least one fully automatic rifle and had more than a dozen other firearms in his hotel room, a law-enforcement official said.

Investigators found 18 to 20 firearms, some fully automatic, in a room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, the law-enforcement official said. That is from where the suspect, identified as 64-year-old Stephen Paddock, allegedly fired upon thousands of concertgoers below. The weapons included AR-15-style and AK-47-style rifles as well as a large cache of ammunition, the official said.

The suspect killed himself before police entered the hotel room, officials said.

The staccato of automatic fire could be heard in videos of the shooting that were posted online. The shooting began shortly after 10 p.m. local time Sunday.

 

the 1934 National Firearms Act requires automatic weapons to be registered with the federal government, unlike semiautomatic firearms. A 1986 law prohibits civilian possession of machine guns that weren’t registered before May of that year. The law exempts automatic firearms possessed by or sold to government agencies.

 

As of April, 630,019 machine guns were registered with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, including more than 11,700 in Nevada, up from 456,930 machine guns in 2010. That number includes weapons to be used by government officials and unserviceable guns that are purchased as ornaments.



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Posted 02 October 2017 - 09:11 PM

I assume you are agreeing that no law short of banning ALL guns would have prevented the shooting? Even then, with the right amount of money anything can be bought or made.

Of course I agree. It is awful that this is the new reality. There was no way anyone with a gun could have fired back either. This is beyond rational reason.

I gave up after Sandy Hook. I don't think anything changes.


Not a time to argue about gun control.
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Posted 02 October 2017 - 09:25 PM

Just received this from my diocese:

 

Prayer for the nation:    Father we have turmoil in this land.   We have those who are hurting others, whether it is by tongue or physical violence.   Please be with those who have been affected by the violence in Las Vegas.   Help them find the inner peace and comfort of your spirit as we ourselves, seek to understand.   Please be with us in your grace and love.   Lord,   our hearts are heavy but our faith is strong.  Let those in Las vegas and those families and loved ones affected feel our prayers.  Direct us towards your written words so that we might better understand this tragedy.   Father,  we not only pray for peace in this city, but peace in our nation and world as well.  Help guide us to spread your love through our actions and words today and from this day forth.  In your name we pray,  Amen.



#36 BroncoStud

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 09:42 PM

Not a time to argue about gun control.

I wish your party and Hillary Clinton agreed with you on this, it took them no time to politicize the tragedy.



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Posted 02 October 2017 - 09:46 PM

They allow aperson to have any machine guns manufactured prior to 1986 as long as they are registered. Same as the federal law.

If you have the money you can get anything, ask the inner city thugs.

63 showing his true colors once again



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Posted 02 October 2017 - 09:46 PM

I wish your party and Hillary Clinton agreed with you on this, it took them no time to politicize the tragedy.

 

 

yea while she said  this is not the time to politicize this she mentioned standing up to the NRA  etc...Bitch just has no control..delusional 



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Posted 02 October 2017 - 09:49 PM

Save the politics for another time

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 09:52 PM

There was no way anyone with a gun could have fired back either. This is beyond rational reason.


Not a time to argue about gun control.

I already said that. Anyone who believes a person with a pistol would have stopped this is delusional.

I agree that it is not time to argue gun control, to bad the dems don't see it that way.




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