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#41 Mloe68

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Posted 10 October 2017 - 01:49 AM

Trent never had the plate of weapons Alex has been given by Dorsey over the last few years at the WR position. Until this year, Alex just didn't take full advantage of the weapons around him. For whatever reason, Mahomes/F-it, New Contract, this year he's using the full plate and not limiting them. If Alex consistently played like this years ago, there would have been no call to replace him, no trade up for Mahomes.
Now, he's playing for his next mega contract, and hopefully a nice high pick for us.

Lenny was an all time great, in a different era. But in his era, he had the highest QB rating for quite a few years after he was gone, until he was finally surpassed as the game changed.

No doubt at all that Trent was surrounded by a lot more offensiive talent cor most of his starts than Alex has. Not even debatable. Key this year is we finally have players other teams must account at both RB and WR for the first time in the Andy Reid era.

#42 soonerborn77

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Posted 10 October 2017 - 01:54 AM

No doubt at all that Trent was surrounded by a lot more offensiive talent cor most of his starts than Alex has. Not even debatable.


I didn’t really get this either, having 3 hall of famers around you usually means you have a lot more offensive talent around you than a lot of QB’s

#43 Mloe68

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Posted 10 October 2017 - 02:18 AM

I didn’t really get this either, having 3 hall of famers around you usually means you have a lot more offensive talent around you than a lot of QB’s


3 Hall of Famers, elite RBs, 1,000 yard WRs and a Pro Bowl guard and fullback. That team was so loaded with veteran offensive talent it had nothing left to pay the defense. Meanwhile we had the absolute worst WR group in the NFL in 2014 and have had average RBs and WRs the last two seasons. Finally this year we have good tackles, TE, and emerging star at WR and RB. Alex is having a lot more success partly on his own, but mainly because the talent around him is the best we've had since that Vermeil era.

#44 Dablueguy

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Posted 10 October 2017 - 05:19 AM

I'm talking about WR, not the OL that Trent had.  Trent never had the skill position weapons Alex had last year and this year.   The best WR Trent ever had was Eddie Kennison.  Eddie was a nice player.   Eddie wouldn't make the Chiefs WR's roster of the last couple of years.  Trent had Dante Hall as a regular WR for a few years.  I loved Dante, but as a WR, he's not as good as DAT, and DAT doesn't get much playing time.  Alex had weapons, but until this year, for whatever reason he limited them.  This year he's using them.  It's good to see, and I hope it continues.  



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Posted 10 October 2017 - 05:35 AM

Not sure how any of you are forgetting Tony G, not that it matters because Smith is clearly the more successful Chief QB than Trent was. And I'm not taking anything away from that offense Trent ran, but they didn't win a playoff game. The defense was absent

#46 Dablueguy

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Posted 10 October 2017 - 07:27 AM

Not sure how any of you are forgetting Tony G, not that it matters because Smith is clearly the more successful Chief QB than Trent was. And I'm not taking anything away from that offense Trent ran, but they didn't win a playoff game. The defense was absent

Not forgetting Tony G at all.  He was a fantastic TE.  So is Kelce.  My OP was talking about WR's.  Alex has had better WR's than Trent.  Until this year, he did not use them to the best of their ability.  Trent got every ounce out of the limited talent he had at WR.    



#47 reesebobby

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Posted 10 October 2017 - 05:44 PM

I'm talking about WR, not the OL that Trent had.  Trent never had the skill position weapons Alex had last year and this year.   The best WR Trent ever had was Eddie Kennison.  Eddie was a nice player.   Eddie wouldn't make the Chiefs WR's roster of the last couple of years.  Trent had Dante Hall as a regular WR for a few years.  I loved Dante, but as a WR, he's not as good as DAT, and DAT doesn't get much playing time.  Alex had weapons, but until this year, for whatever reason he limited them.  This year he's using them.  It's good to see, and I hope it continues.


Kennison wouldn't make this roster? That's not serious I hope. In 5 full seasons here he averaged 961 yards per season. He was more than just nice. He ran good routes, had good hands and was a solid NFL receiver. Prior to coming here, he had a 900 yard season with the Rams and an 800 plus yard season with the Saints. Meanwhile, we are left wondering how to replace Chris Conley.

And Dante is not as good of a wide receiver as DAT? DAT has 353 yards receiving in 3 plus years. Literally 3 percent of his entire career happened on his 10 yard touchdown. While Dante was for sure not a pure wide receiver, he was damn sure better at it than DAT has been so far.

Toss in Tony G., Priest Holmes, and possibly the best offensive line ever assembled and it gets to be pretty hard to compare the two quarterbacks.

#48 azchief21

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Posted 10 October 2017 - 05:51 PM

Those offenses were fun to watch but we had no balance. We'd score 45 and lose by 3. It was like watching a ping pong game.


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Posted 10 October 2017 - 08:45 PM

I like this team better than the DV teams. It was just too much hype on one side of the ball. It was fun, but like someone mentioned they never won a playoff game and only got to the playoffs once.

While not perfect, I feel like this team can go toe to toe with any team in the league.
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#50 Rickdawg58

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Posted 10 October 2017 - 09:14 PM

I agree that this team has better balance between offense & defense contrasted to the DV teams. That is why I believe this team is the real deal & #ChiefsKingdom will be happily surprised during the playoffs. As long as we can take care of business & remain healthy. Ford coming back will help as well.

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Posted 10 October 2017 - 10:50 PM

I like this team better than the DV teams. It was just too much hype on one side of the ball. It was fun, but like someone mentioned they never won a playoff game and only got to the playoffs once.
While not perfect, I feel like this team can go toe to toe with any team in the league.


Well if we beat Pittsburgh we will have beaten NE, Philly, Steelers and Houston. Teams that were either picked to win their division or are currently doing well like Philly with 1 loss just to us. We take care of business in our division and sweep again...well even more wins against teams picked to do well with Denver and some saying Oakland about would win this division. Funny, I don't think anyone talked about KC doing this well at the beginning of the season, hell they were talking undefeated NE with all their FA pick ups etc....we put that to rest game 1 and we see again just how FA does not always work.

#52 Mloe68

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 02:03 AM

I'm talking about WR, not the OL that Trent had. Trent never had the skill position weapons Alex had last year and this year. The best WR Trent ever had was Eddie Kennison. Eddie was a nice player. Eddie wouldn't make the Chiefs WR's roster of the last couple of years. Trent had Dante Hall as a regular WR for a few years. I loved Dante, but as a WR, he's not as good as DAT, and DAT doesn't get much playing time. Alex had weapons, but until this year, for whatever reason he limited them. This year he's using them. It's good to see, and I hope it continues.


Johnny Morton would absolutely start over any WR on this roster not named Tyreek. Sammie Parker was a faster version of Albert Wilson. Dante Hall is a more polished version of DA Thomas. IWe've got a roster full of system type guys who wouldn't start anywhere in the league outside of KC outside of Tyreek.
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#53 Calichief

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 02:38 AM

Not forgetting Tony G at all. He was a fantastic TE. So is Kelce. My OP was talking about WR's. Alex has had better WR's than Trent. Until this year, he did not use them to the best of their ability. Trent got every ounce out of the limited talent he had at WR.

Think you need to look up kennison again. He would most definitely start and maybe even get more targets than hill at his current development level.

#54 Mloe68

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 02:54 AM

Think you need to look up kennison again. He would most definitely start and maybe even get more targets than hill at his current development level.


No doubt plain laughable statement. Kennison and Morton were both first round draft picks who had multiple 1,000 yard seasons and were paid big money by this franchise. Meanwhile we've got a roster full of WRs drafted in the late rounds or not at all and making near league minimum. And Alex is making it work largely because Tyreek commands so much respect.

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 03:24 AM

Morton was 31 and done by the time he got here.  Nice WR in Detroit, done when he came to KC.  Kennison was cut by multiple teams before coming to KC and  getting resurrected late in his career.   Dorsey would not have signed Morton, and Kennison, if he made the team, would be behind Chesson.   And I liked Eddie, but the WR's on this team have been talented, but limited by the QB until this year.  



#56 Mloe68

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 05:26 AM

Morton was 31 and done by the time he got here. Nice WR in Detroit, done when he came to KC. Kennison was cut by multiple teams before coming to KC and getting resurrected late in his career. Dorsey would not have signed Morton, and Kennison, if he made the team, would be behind Chesson. And I liked Eddie, but the WR's on this team have been talented, but limited by the QB until this year.


LOL. Morton came to KC off a career best 77 catch, 1154 yard season. This is as much pure comedy as when you said this time last year that Tyreek Hill would never be any more than a gadget player and never catch 70 plus passes. Or D Bowe would leave KC and become a Pro Bowler again with any other QB. To use the term from Rocky, when it comes to WR, "you ain't never been right." I'll give you the last word on the subject as this is too silly to even elaborate on. We spent much more to bring in guys who had and did produce more. That part is just obvious. No way any good GM would pay this much to load up on one side of the ball and leave nothing for the defense. You've got that part right. Our WR group are mostly serviceable backup types anywhere else, but the reality of being CAP poor now. System guys like this can work well enough if you have talent around them and a good QB. That's where we are. One high level developing star in Tyreek and system guys elsewhere. Good news is that this makes it an easier task to replace a starter who averages 2 catches, 30 yards per game.

#57 Dablueguy

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 09:45 AM

LOL. Morton came to KC off a career best 77 catch, 1154 yard season. This is as much pure comedy as when you said this time last year that Tyreek Hill would never be any more than a gadget player and never catch 70 plus passes. Or D Bowe would leave KC and become a Pro Bowler again with any other QB. To use the term from Rocky, when it comes to WR, "you ain't never been right." I'll give you the last word on the subject as this is too silly to even elaborate on. We spent much more to bring in guys who had and did produce more. That part is just obvious. No way any good GM would pay this much to load up on one side of the ball and leave nothing for the defense. You've got that part right. Our WR group are mostly serviceable backup types anywhere else, but the reality of being CAP poor now. System guys like this can work well enough if you have talent around them and a good QB. That's where we are. One high level developing star in Tyreek and system guys elsewhere. Good news is that this makes it an easier task to replace a starter who averages 2 catches, 30 yards per game.

It's nice to see you lie and misquote in here just like you did in the other place.  What I said is Tyreek won't be Antonio Brown.   And he won't be.  He is a gadget player, and a great one.  I never said Bowe would become an All Pro again with any other QB.  You are truly pathetic, but I guess you still are butthurt by getting exposed for all your anti Dorsey garbage, just days after you said you gave up your season tickets because he was fired.  What a joke you became when you had to switch to full homer mode.  What a joke you evidently still are.  Thought a new start might help you out, but I was wrong.  



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Posted 11 October 2017 - 11:08 AM

Green vs Smith eras are way too different to compare. NFL is a passing league right now and it's getting easier to play QB every year when compared to a decade or multiple decades ago. Smith definitely has more talent around him but that still doesn't change the comparison as it's apples and oranges IMO. 



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Posted 11 October 2017 - 01:08 PM

It's nice to see you lie and misquote in here just like you did in the other place.  What I said is Tyreek won't be Antonio Brown.   And he won't be.  He is a gadget player, and a great one.  I never said Bowe would become an All Pro again with any other QB.  You are truly pathetic, but I guess you still are butthurt by getting exposed for all your anti Dorsey garbage, just days after you said you gave up your season tickets because he was fired.  What a joke you became when you had to switch to full homer mode.  What a joke you evidently still are.  Thought a new start might help you out, but I was wrong.  

 

wow, going out on a limb saying Tyreek won't be the best WR in the NFL, lol

 

Back to the original point, obviously TG would be ahead of Kelce and Kennison would easily be a #2 here for us now.  Kennison had good years before he came to us, Dorsey would have not looked the other way just because he was cut by other teams, he didn't do that for guys like Mitchell and Ron Parker so that statement has no legs to stand on.  



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Posted 11 October 2017 - 01:18 PM

Green vs Smith eras are way too different to compare. NFL is a passing league right now and it's getting easier to play QB every year when compared to a decade or multiple decades ago. Smith definitely has more talent around him but that still doesn't change the comparison as it's apples and oranges IMO.


I agree that it's different areas, but isn't the argument going on right now about the offensive talent around them? It doesn't sound like it's "definitely" more talented now according to others, cited by player's careers before and after coming here in the Green era. It sounds like it is a matter of opinion, not talking about whether they were maximized in their use before this year.




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