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Liberals To Be Triggered In 3..2..1.. - Fracking Has Cut More CO2 Emissions Than All Renewable Energy Combined

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#21 jetlord

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Posted 10 October 2017 - 11:14 PM

never..or just not in the last  150+/- years??

 

Never is a long time

Wilkie has been around for a long time.


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#22 Mloe68

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 02:23 PM

yea but catastrophic earthquakes and poisoned water..its not all about just air..playing Devils Advocate


Earthquakes have nothing to do with fracking and everything to do with deep injection water wells. And. only certain oil and gas plays have the massive water output that requires these type of wells to dispose of the tainted water. It's in those areas drilling should be regulated and restricted.

#23 Mloe68

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 04:54 PM

There are earthquakes where I live now. It isn't directly due to fracking, it's due to water injection wells that deliver ancient saltwater found in productive zones to the Arbuckle Formation, which isn't a commercially-viable formation. They aren't really earthquakes, they are slips and rubs because ancient fault lines that are dormant are now being lubricated by the injection water. SO FAR it hasn't created any large earthquakes, but some of them shake the houses pretty good. However, they seem to have slowed now that companies are forced to be more cognizant of what was happening.


In Oklahoma there were 2 earthquakes in 2008 and over 600 last year. New horizontal drillling techniques contribute, but fracking is largely misunderstood and made a culprit when it's really not the issue. Clearly though there is a direct impact from some horizontal drilling and the excess water it produces. As they restrict drilling in certain Oklahoma oil and gas plays, that.number already seems to be decreasing.

#24 robgar

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 09:39 PM

Once again reality bites Oklahoma sits on one of the biggest faults in the us

#25 mex

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 08:38 PM

if you kill drilling, you kill jobs, therefore you kill tax revenue, and the result is you have no state economy. 

 

welcome to new mexico



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Posted 13 October 2017 - 08:41 PM

I see.  Since it wasn't catastrophic I guess I just have to learn to live with them right?   If the tornado wasn't an F5 there's no need to worry.  Its a question of kind not degree.

you don't know what you're talking about

 

global warming is your biggest concern... remember?

 

better get back under your bed



#27 West

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Posted 14 October 2017 - 03:40 PM

Wilkie's biggest concern seemed to trend with CNN's biggest concern in the past.

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#28 mex

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Posted 14 October 2017 - 09:48 PM

global warming is the biggest threat to mankind

 

obam said so

 

this fracking shit is small potaters



#29 Mloe68

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Posted 15 October 2017 - 03:43 AM

global warming is the biggest threat to mankind

obam said so

this fracking shit is small potaters


There's some pretty compelling evidence with earth is significantly warming and populations that are based at sea level could be in jeopardy. The question is how much are the CO2 emissions impacting this. I'll listen to legit science and do consider our environment outside the scope of my Libertarian beliefs. That said the Dutch are WAY ahead of us in dealing with potential rising oceans and flooding in general for that matter. A proactive approach like they have taken to protect US cities under the biggest threat like Miami seems like a good plan.

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Posted 15 October 2017 - 10:42 PM

There's some pretty compelling evidence with earth is significantly warming and populations that are based at sea level could be in jeopardy. The question is how much are the CO2 emissions impacting this. I'll listen to legit science and do consider our environment outside the scope of my Libertarian beliefs. That said the Dutch are WAY ahead of us in dealing with potential rising oceans and flooding in general for that matter. A proactive approach like they have taken to protect US cities under the biggest threat like Miami seems like a good plan.

let's emulate the dutch

 

and tax ourselves into a better climate

 

there's a consensus you know



#31 West

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Posted 16 October 2017 - 01:52 AM

Still looking for cheap beach front property!!

#32 wilkie

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Posted 16 October 2017 - 02:47 PM

There is no such thing as CHEAP beachfront property.

#33 Mloe68

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Posted 16 October 2017 - 03:14 PM

let's emulate the dutch

and tax ourselves into a better climate

there's a consensus you know

The Dutch have protected themselves from the type of flooding disaster that would ultimately cost their country billions more. Innovative and proactive is exactly the type of thing we want from this country.

#34 West

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Posted 16 October 2017 - 10:25 PM

I want innovation and proactive solutions to real problems.

Education

The Debt

Slow GDP Growth

Out of Control Taxation

Iran Getting Nukes

North Korea with Nukes

the list is long...



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#35 mex

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 12:18 AM

The Dutch have protected themselves from the type of flooding disaster that would ultimately cost their country billions more. Innovative and proactive is exactly the type of thing we want from this country.

non sequitur

 

there will be no flooding, because there is no such thing as man-made global warming

 

the dutch use wind power to economically power pumps to remove sea water, because half their country is below sea level. They've been reclaiming land for centuries... has nothing to do with conservation or environmental proactivity... it's nothing more than greedy capitalist behavior... you know... trying to make unproductive geography generate revenue

 

God bless 'em for that



#36 BroncoStud

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 01:52 AM

There is no such thing as CHEAP beachfront property.

Belize still has some, surprisingly.



#37 Mloe68

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 02:00 AM

non sequitur

there will be no flooding, because there is no such thing as man-made global warming

the dutch use wind power to economically power pumps to remove sea water, because half their country is below sea level. They've been reclaiming land for centuries... has nothing to do with conservation or environmental proactivity... it's nothing more than greedy capitalist behavior... you know... trying to make unproductive geography generate revenue

God bless 'em for that


The Polar Ice caps ARE melting and ocean levels ARE rising. That's not reasonably debatable. What is debatable is how much we as humans are impacting this. And you certainly cannot state with certainty that we are not.
Furthermore if we had the foresight of the Dutch maybe we could have saved 200 billion dollars in flood damage and hundreds of lives lost in New Orleans after Katrina. I'd call that as tangible as it gets. Forget the stupid wall, cut the military budget in half and actually tangibly protect American cities like New Orleans and Miami. Or we can bury are heads in the sand and pay a MUCH higher tab later.

#38 Mloe68

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 02:06 AM

I want innovation and proactive solutions to real problems.

Education

The Debt

Slow GDP Growth

Out of Control Taxation

Iran Getting Nukes

North Korea with Nukes

the list is long...



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And a flooding disaster that costs upwards of 200 billion dollars and hundreds of American lives is not a real problem? Instead of protecting American cities from very real tangible issues we are wrapped up in doing senseless ignorant things like building a massive expensive wall. And the Republicsns just keep burying us in more and more debt by expanding bloated military budget and sustaining insanely stupid war on drugs.

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 02:17 AM

The Polar Ice caps ARE melting and ocean levels ARE rising. That's not reasonably debatable. What is debatable is how much we as humans are impacting this. And you certainly cannot state with certainty that we are not.
Furthermore if we had the foresight of the Dutch maybe we could have saved 200 billion dollars in flood damage and hundreds of lives lost in New Orleans after Katrina. I'd call that as tangible as it gets. Forget the stupid wall, cut the military budget in half and actually tangibly protect American cities like New Orleans and Miami. Or we can bury are heads in the sand and pay a MUCH higher tab later.

the poles aren't melting.

 

none of that has anything to do with the global warming hoax

 

N.O. always floods because A. the city is below sea level and sits between the gulf, the mississippi and lake ponchatrain, and B. it rests smack dab in the middle of hurricane alley



#40 BroncoStud

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 02:17 AM

The Polar Ice caps ARE melting and ocean levels ARE rising. That's not reasonably debatable.

 

According to NASA, you are very much incorrect.  Here is a study they conducted and concluded in October of 2015:

 

https://www.nasa.gov...ter-than-losses
 

A new NASA study says that an increase in Antarctic snow accumulation that began 10,000 years ago is currently adding enough ice to the continent to outweigh the increased losses from its thinning glaciers.

 

The research challenges the conclusions of other studies, including the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) 2013 report, which says that Antarctica is overall losing land ice.

 

According to the new analysis of satellite data, the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed   to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008.

 

The truth is nothing is "decided" or beyond the point of reasonable debate - nothing.  The second people stop debating, the last remaining shred of science regarding this dies, and all you have left are the politics. 

 

Sadly, climate change/global warming has become a purely political discussion and an attempted power grab by global governments, who quite frankly know the Industrial Revolution is nearing and end anyway.


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